100 mw. will let you work tropo. 0.5 to 1 watt would get you rainscatter contacts, but your beamwidth will be very narrow, ~1 deg. Ben/K4QFSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device------ Original message------From: WB8PFZ via Moon-netDate: Tue, Jul 20, 2021 14:12To: moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com;Cc: Subject:[Moon-Net] Fwd: 10 ghz antenna question
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How well would this play on 10 ghz? Radio Waves HP4-11G2 1.2 m | 4 ft High Performance Parabolic Reflector Antenna
How much power would I need to make contacts? Thanks Mike
Looking for someone to build me a lightweight (aluminum) W2IMU dual-mode
feed for 1296 Mhz EME. This is for a 1.9m RF HAM DESIGN mesh dish, f/D =
0.45.
I'm currently using an RA3AQ (2008) feed for 7 dB sun to cold. RX
performance is good but looking for very best RX performance as I'm
limited to 1.9m dish size.
Bill, KB2SA
San Diego, CA
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Subject: 10 ghz antenna question
How well would this play on 10 ghz? Radio Waves HP4-11G2 1.2 m | 4 ft High Performance Parabolic Reflector Antenna
How much power would I need to make contacts? Thanks Mike
Recently installed a in-line preamp at the tower to improve Rx
sensitivity on 144-MHz (some measurements, below):
I installed the preamp using a Dowkey 412 transfer relay (to bypass the
preamp in Tx). This has been discussed quite a bit so not repeating any
of that discussion.
But I was curious the impact on sensitivity on the IC9700 running the
internal preamp vs using the tower-mounted preamp.
The tower preamp is at ground level (for ease in maintenance for this
non-tower climbing person). That means there is significant coax run
between the antenna and the preamp input:
12-foot of LMR-400 to the 2-antenna splitter: est loss = 0.18 dB
10-foot LMR-400 jumper around az-el: est loss = 015 dB
30-foot of LMR-600 to ground level: est loss = 0.39 dB
6-foot LMR-400 jumper to preamp: est loss = 0.09 dB
total loss = 0.81 dB
Preamp NF = 0.16 dB (WA5VJB design mgf-1801 GasFet), 24 dB gain
(measured on HP8970B NF meter)
System NF (approx) = 0.97 dB (good enough for antennas pointing at
horizon for non-eme application)
I tested using a Elecraft XG3 signal source radiating at -33 dBm into a
VHF "duckie" antenna set on the ground (antenna 45-feet higher).
This produced a signal of S7.5 in the IC9700 using the ext. preamp
S3.5 with internal preamp
Next, I connected the XG3 running -107 dBm plus 30-dB step attenuator
plus 10-dB BNC attenuator: -147 dBm signal directly to the ext. preamp
input.
This produced a S1 signal in the IC9700.
No signal was detected running the internal preamp
I adjusted attenuation to 23 dB so test signal was -130 dBm
Signal with ext preamp was S6
Signal with internal preamp was S1
AGC was not defeated so these are just "numbers" and not necessarily
accurate in dB, but I found the 17 dB difference in sensitivity a bit of
a surprise. Gain of internal preamp is estimated 10 dB below the gain
of the ext. preamp, so sensitivity still shows 7-dB improvement with the
external preamp.
Using only noise from the yagi antenna:
Ext preamp shows about S1 to S2 noise
Internal preamp shows S0
This is mainly the gain difference between preamps.
next test will be receiving "real" weak signals.
73, Ed - KL7UW
Hi All,
due forced expropriation for new harbor I will lose about 2hectare at my remote location
including the building where my testlab and shack is located.
Due this reason I have to sell a lot.
First part more to follow
Measurement Equipment all in mint condition except the Tektronics (see below)
==================================================================
HP 8752A 300khz-3Ghz Network Analyzer with manual
HP 53181A 3Ghz counter
HP 8640A Signal Generator
HP 5303B 525 Mhz Counter
AGILENT E4418B Power meter with ECP-E18A (10Mhz-18Ghz ( -70 to +20dBm)
Manual included and 3 directional couplers ((2-70 (40dB/250W) & 23-13 30dB/500W))
Tektronics 2230 100Mhz Digital storage oscilloscope comes with trolley, manual, probes
*****Attention (1 entry has a defect or is wrong aligned)*******
Fluke 45 Dual Display Multimeter
2 x Lab multimeters G-1002.500
Handheld oscilloscope Velleman HPS50 (in box)
Fairchild Type 781A Time-Mark Generator
Rohde & Schwarz – LRT BN6100 (inductance meter 0.1uH to 1H)
Included is a PC with GPIB -USB -HS connector and 2 GPIB cables
Bird model 43 with adjustable Xtractor model 87004 by Coaxial dynamics 43dB
Pictures can be asked for.
2.3-2.45 Ghz (Lot 1)
=================
1.9M prime focus dish f/d 0.45 (RFHAMDESIGN)
CLX-6 Bracket (RFHAMDESIGN)
FPD BR02/3 (RFHAMDESIGN)
Septum feed (RFHAMDESIGN)
G4DDK preamp (27.2 db / 0.34nf @293K) with Ducommun 2N1A31 coaxrelay/1w dummy)
fixed on septum in waterproof box
1 modified amplifier from Siemens S30861 + 200 Watt out with 63mW drive with Power supply,
Voltage and current control, blowers etc all in 19” rack
2.3-2.45 Ghz (Lot2) 500 Watt 13 CM Amplifier,
This offer contains a do it yourself kit
All parts are brand new (except directional coupler) and will be sold in one package.
2 x Siemens S30861 Units (after modification each have +/- 250 Watt out)
2 x W6PQL High current DC Fet switch
2 x W6PQL 13cm Couplers (Rogers 4003) max 500 Watt,
1 x Narda 3042B-30 ( 0.9-2.4Ghz) 30dB coaxial directional coupler (mint condition)
1 x Meanwell SD-1000L-24 PS Input between 19 and 72Volt DC, Out 24-30Volt 40A max,
All parts for above like RF resistors, semirigid and connectors included.
All paperwork for the modification of amps is included.
Pse make fair offer
432 Mhz lot1
===========
4 x 38 Elem from M2 432-13WLA with splitter , cables, H frame and Tiltplate (see qrz.com)
432 Mhz lot2
===========
70 CM AMPs (1 lot)
2 x R&S 1.5Kw modified amps type VH 501 A1,
R&S 3Fase 400Vac , 3x100Amp @ 30Vdc PS = ok for both
All needed blowers included
R&S 3db combiner/splitter for input with 100 Watt dummy (port4)
R&S Combiner for output , included are the 2 dummy loads from 800 Watt
Manual included and more
Pse make fair offer = no shipping only pickup due weight
HF Beams, Verical and different QRO amplifiers for sale also
Guy ON4AOI -OT7K
Al K2UYH did several presentations on Small Dish EME and he described making small stress portable dish from strips of lumber and mesh. He fastened the mesh petal to each rib so when you place the rib the mesh is already there. I liked the offset version of his dishes and for me a 5 ft offset is quite good on 1296 MHz. Of course bigger is always better and I want to stress the need to use circular polarization with a small antenna in order to get reasonable performance. I will forward one of the presentation separately
Best 73
Barry VE4MA
All,
I am very brand new to EME. On the advice of my Elmer I am considering
building a stressed dish in the 4-6 meter range. It needs to be able to
disassembled (at least partially) and transported to storage when not in
use. I would like to initially use a Yaesu G-5500DC AZ-EL to control the
antenna.
One of the first considerations I have is what to use for the dish ribs. I
am thinking about using fiberglass rods or AL electrical conduit. I am
struggling to imagine a way to bend the AL conduit precisely. Seems as
though each conduit length would take a different "set" and perhaps be
fragile (easily bent) in storage or transportation. Fiberglass rods would
need to be attached in a way for easy removal and precise length. How
could I do that?
Any suggestions on the mechanical fabrication of a stressed dished would be
most gratefully received.
Hope to CU on the moon.
Jeff
W9KW
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J Whisler
Hello,
I still have this antenna and hate to scrap it. It is a very nice 10 or 24 GHz antenna but heavy. Only pick up at my site.
If interested let me know and I will send information incl. specs sheet and pictures.
73 de Ben
SM6CKU in JO67CK
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