Hi All.
This is about 30 minutes of monitoring 144.144 on March 23, 2023 during the
CY0S
Dxpedition. Each radio was fed from the vertical array of 4xUWA12 yagis.
Horizontal is currently blown up. I used vertical for TX and vertical for
RX.
Excess noise was about +4db at this high elevation (57deg). Both radios
feed
their own instance of WSTX v2.6.1 by K1JT. The mode was Q65-60a NA contest
mode.
Deep Decode,Enable averaging, Clear after decode. CY0S was selected with
50hz
tolerance. CY0S,FN93 was in the DX Call and DX Grid boxes. Note the
variation
in decode levels reported even though they are from an identical signal
source.
At 1841 a single decode was from W8KEN at -31db on the 706 but at the same
time
was -29db on the 736r. Something must have gone wrong on the 706 side.
Notice the
high number of nil decodes on the 706 while the 736 had decodes in the -20
to -26
db range. The 736 has a superior noise blanker and a flatter passband. I
don't think
there was pulse noise at the time. Sometimes the 706 gave better decodes.
15 times the 736 gave better decodes. 11 times the 706 gave better decodes.
3 times they were identical. In no case did the 736 miss a decode that the
706 got.
10 times the 706 missed decodes that the 736 got. There were probably times
that
the 706 could have reported -31 or -32db but got nil instead. Only one time
was
there a decode below -30 and it was -29 on the 736 at the same time. At
other operating
times there were instances of -31 and -32db on CY0S but I did not save that
data.
I did not save the Map65 data. It was nearly worthless with WSJTX decoding
about 3 times
more data. My QSO did not decode on Map65 and if I only had Map65, my QSO
would have failed.
There may be some value in redundancy and using WSJTX. There are some
differences in reported
DT but they do not explain differences in decode levels. This is a small
data sample so
conclusions based on this small sample may be wrong.
......................736r................................................706mkII..............
1825 -20 2.6 503 : CY0S F8DO -24 q0 1825 -22 2.6 510 :
CY0S F8DO -24 q0
1825 -21 2.6 1032 : CY0S S54AC JN86 q0 1825 -26 2.6 1040 : CY0S
S54AC JN86 q0
1826 -24 2.7 1427 : CQ CY0S FN93 q3 1826 -28 2.7 1437 : CQ
CY0S FN93 q0
1828 -23 2.7 1429 : CQ CY0S FN93 q3 1828 -24 2.8 1444 : CQ
CY0S FN93 q3
1830 -23 2.7 1430 : CQ CY0S FN93 q3 1830 -23 2.7 1452 : CQ
CY0S FN93 q3
1832 -24 2.7 1432 : CQ CY0S FN93 q3 1832 -24 2.7 1459 : CQ
CY0S FN93 q3
1834 -24 2.7 1432 : KK4MA CY0S R FN93 q0 1834 nil
1836 -26 2.7 1432 : KK4MA CY0S R FN93 q0 1836 -24 2.7 1462 : KK4MA
CY0S R FN93 q0
1838 -25 2.8 1433 : KK4MA CY0S R FN93 q0 1838 -24 2.8 1462 : KK4MA
CY0S R FN93 q0
1839 -20 -0.5 1459 : CY0S KA1W FN31 q0 1839 -19 2.6 1489 : CY0S
KA1W FN31 q0
1839 -23 -0.1 1087 : CY0S KK4MA EM93 q0 1839 -22 3.0 1117 : CY0S
KK4MA EM93 q0
1841 -20 2.8 1459 : CY0S KA1W FN31 q0 1841 -18 2.6 1492 : CY0S
KA1W FN31 q0
1841 -29 2.6 1010 : CY0S W8KEN EN91 q0 1841 -31 2.6 1043 : CY0S
W8KEN EN91 q0
1841 -23 3.0 885 : CY0S KK4MA EM93 q0 1841 -22 2.9 918 : CY0S
KK4MA EM93 q0
1842 -27 2.7 1432 : CQ CY0S FN93 q3 1842 -26 2.8 1466 : CQ
CY0S FN93 q3
1846 -25 2.7 1432 : WB9UWA CY0S R FN93 q0 1846 -23 2.7 1471 : WB9UWA
CY0S R FN93 q2
1848 -29 2.7 1430 : WB9UWA CY0S 73 q3 1848 -28 2.8 1472 : WB9UWA
CY0S 73 q3
1851 -20 2.8 715 : CY0S K0TPP EM48 q0 1851 nil
1851 -24 3.0 882 : CY0S KK4MA EM93 q0 1851 nil
1851 -25 2.6 1007 : CY0S W8KEN EN91 q0 1851 nil
1852 -22 2.6 1428 : DD0VF CY0S 73 q0 1852 -21 2.6 1471 :
DD0VF CY0S 73 q0
1853 -24 2.6 1005 : CY0S W8KEN EN91 q0 1853 nil
1853 -23 3.2 880 : CY0S KK4MA EM93 q0 1853 nil
1853 -26 2.6 1197 : CY0S DG5CST JO60 q0 1853 nil
1855 -23 2.6 1003 : CY0S W8KEN EN91 q0 1855 nil
1855 -26 2.6 1796 : CY0S DD0VF RRR q0 1855 nil
1855 -25 2.6 1193 : CY0S DG5CST JO60 q0 1855 nil
1856 -23 2.6 1425 : DG5CST CY0S R FN93 q0 1856 -23 2.6 1467 : DG5CST
CY0S R FN93 q0
1857 -21 2.6 1002 : CY0S W8KEN EN91 q0 1857 -20 2.6 1044 : CY0S
W8KEN EN91 q0
--
Earl Shaffer, WB9UWA
My EME array photos
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bbn2ktonko8e3az/AACHBBOhf6Djk5Pf2c86Br5ja
Detailed array photos
http://www.gm4jjj.co.uk/WB9UWA/
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http://www.linkedin.com/pub/earl-shaffer/12/881/735
Dear friends,
I am looking for a pair of coaxial SPST relays with SC connectors.
Something like these examples:
I can offer in trade a pair of Used-Excellent-Guaranteed Dow-Key 402A-280132
high-power relays with Type N connectors (28V, failsafe, w/indicators):
I can also pay money.
Thanks-
Mike, W9IP
Can someone help me to get a working e-mail address from Fabrizio IK4VYX?
I would like to contact him to obtain a registration code for DXTelnet.
rac2610(a)provincia.ra.it <mailto:rac2610@provincia.ra.it> and
rac2610(a)provincia.ra.it <mailto:rac2610@provincia.ra.it> get bounced all
the time.
-73, Peter, PA2V
This is a reminder that Today, Friday 24th March is the 13cm SSB Funtest, rules in Dec 2022 432 and above NL.
The 25th/26th March is the DUBUS-REF 13cm SSB/CW contest. Rules are at http://www.marsport.org.uk/dubus/EMEContest2023new.pdf
Weather permitting I will be QRV for both events, 6m dish 250W at feed. (At present it is too windy but I hope it might ease later today)
73 Peter G3LTF
Hi guys - Look here
https://www.ok2kkw.com/info/re_tajfun_1000_on_70cm_en.htm
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Subject: [Moon-Net] Tajfun 1000 70cm circuit diagrams
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Looking for circuit diagrams for the control and RF boards of the Tajfun
1000 70cm PA. Joe and I lost it without any alarms during WSJT-X tune up.
We are reluctant to just replace the failed LDMOS without trying to
determine the cause of this failure. Any suggestions of what to look for or
test as well as the circuit diagrams would be appreciated.
Richard WC8RK & Joe WA8OGS
Thank you to all that helped me with WSJT-X, MAP65, Q65A and the Contest exchange for CY0S.
I finally got him for #77 DCCC on 2m EME.
73,
W8KEN - Ken
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> From: Jay Baack <whereisjay(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [Moon-Net] Re: CY0S EME Procedure
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> Earl.. what you sent was not quite right on the exchange.
> Using NA contest mode adds the grid to the exchange.
>
> You see: CQ CY0S FN93
>
> You send: CY0S WB9UWA EN80
>
> They send: WB9UWA CY0S R FN93
>
> You send: CYOS WB9UWA RRR
>
> They send: WB9UWA CY0S 73
>
> I was seeing CY0S sending 73's for most of the stations when I could
> decode the sequence.
>
> NA contest mode is available in WSJT-X 2.5.1 and later, but the latest
> version is only a 20 second download. Sorry to hear about the relay
> issues. Good luck chasing them today.
>
> - Jay N1AV
>
>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 7:20 AM Earl Shaffer via Moon-net <
>> moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ken.
>>
>> As far as I could tell, there is little difference. On Map65 you do not
>> get auto sequence, but on WSJTX you do so you can still use Map65.
>> OOO is never sent.
>> It is something like this:
>>
>> CQ CY0S FN93
>>
>> You send: CY0S W8KEN EN80
>>
>> They send: W8KEN CY0S RRR
>>
>> They either log you and move on or give up on you and move on. It's your guess as to which one happened.
>>
>> If things are slow, they might send 73 but don't count on it.
>>
>>
>> My horizontal coax relay is burned up so I ran Vertical TX and RX and fed
>> vertical to Map65 and two instances of WSJTX. Sometimes
>> one WSJTX would decode while the other did not. Sometimes the signal
>> report was the same and sometimes significantly different.
>> Map65 rarely copied his signal while WSJTX copied his signal two or three
>> times more often. In my estimation WSJTX is 2db more sensitive than Map65.
>> If NA contest mode becomes the norm for DXpeditions, then it makes a lot of
>> sense to use WSJTX but Europe will have to work out award credits. Sun
>> noise was +11db yesterday and he was not hearing a lot of the callers.
>> Maybe I will do better today, but I also have other things to do.
>> On WSJTX I always had CY0S in the DX box which gives a decoding edge. With
>> a few hours of decoding I had one instance of -31db and one instance of
>> -32db. I also had an instance of -31db on Map65 but at the same time the
>> report was significantly better on both WSJTX decoders which increases my
>> feeling that -31 and -32 reports are more of an indication of
>> something going wrong with a stronger signal rather than an indication of
>> great sensitivity. My best decode level was -23db and that was when using
>> WSJTX. I also set my azimuth 15 degrees CCW to reduce sun noise. This
>> reduced sun noise more than it reduced the EME signal. I often do this with
>> elevation settings when the moon is low and in the noise.
>>
>> WB9UWA.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 7:36 AM Ken via Moon-net <
>> moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Q65 Contest mode is not available for those of us that are running MAP65
>>> / WSJT-X V 2.61.
>>>
>>> Why not just run standard Q65A or JT65B mode on 2m EME ?
>>>
>>> W8KEN - Ken
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> 1. Re: CY0S procedure (Norbert OE3NFC)
>>>> 2. 1296 EME (Manuel)
>>>> 3. Re: 1296 EME (cx2sc)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:19:23 +0100
>>>> From: Norbert OE3NFC <oe3nfc(a)yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: [Moon-Net] Re: CY0S procedure
>>>> To: w7gj(a)bigskyspaces.com, Lance Collister <w7gj(a)hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Moon-net Amateur Radio Moonbounce <moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com>
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>>>> I have followed the CY0S activity on the moon yesterday and have
>>> installed the relevant SW with contest mode enabled. So far I have not seen
>>> any major differences, they could work the strong stations but in most
>>> cases the others had problems.
>>>>
>>>> I am running 4x11 Pol and sufficient power but was not able to complete
>>> - lets see how it goes today!
>>>>
>>>> 73 de OE3NFC / Norbert
>>>>
>>>>> Am 22.03.2023 um 16:51 schrieb Lance Collister via Moon-net <
>>> moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Because in the WSJT-X version 2.7 beta they are using, the Q65 PILEUP
>>> feature and the optimized increased sensitivity is ONLY available if
>>> callers use one of the digital contest modes listed on my web page below:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/DXpedition%20Procedure%20with%20Q65.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> I tested/demonstrated this on 2m EME last Saturday, but only made 9
>>> contacts. I hope more show up for a "real" DXpedition with CY0S!!
>>>>> GL and VY 73, Lance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not use standard “EU” exchange procedure for the EU window, and
>>> the NA procedure, which is invalid for awards in most countries other than
>>> the USA, for the NA window? Then everybody happy and no more squabbling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David, G4YTL
>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Lance Collister, W7GJ(ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8,
>>> E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ, V6M, T8GJ, VK9CGJ, VK9XGJ,
>>> C21GJ, CP1GJ, S79GJ, FO/W7GJ, TX7MB, TO7GJ)
>>>>> P.O. Box 73
>>>>> Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073
>>>>> USA
>>>>> TEL: (406) 626-5728
>>>>> QTH: DN27ub
>>>>> URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:17:37 -0300
>>>> From: Manuel <mcastelo(a)vera.com.uy>
>>>> Subject: [Moon-Net] 1296 EME
>>>> To: "moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com" <moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com>
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>>>>
>>>> Hello OMs:
>>>>
>>>> For the moment I have only RX operation.
>>>> But will be useful for me, check the band activity
>>>> and news, such a cluster mode.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all and 73.
>>>>
>>>> Manuel, CX9BT
>>>>
>>>> PD. I do not understand correctly my password affair.
>>>> Choice one for me, any is correct.
>>>> We are radio amateurs…!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
Hi John,
Yes, I worked Lee at CY0S easily on 2m EME with it yesterday during a quick break
from my 6m EME Q65 Pileup tests. I am very impressed with the speed of the contacts
and the greater sensitivity! I completed with 26 stations yesterday during the 6m EME
testing, and 9 stations last Saturday during the 2m testing. I really had expected
the 2m callers to far outnumber the 6m EME callers, but was quite pleased with the
large turnout of 6m EME stations ;-) Several of the 6m stations were using single
yagis without elevation. That was despite a noisy sun only one day away from the
moon, widespread ionospheric activity and less than optimum Degradation. The weakest
signal I recorded was when I completed with VK5PJ at -32 dB. K1JT has once again hit
it out of the ballpark with a great tool for EME!
I encourage all single yagi 6m stations who are horizon-only to look for meduring my
6m EME DXpeditions! If you have some good clear terrain in front of the antenna
during your moonrise and/or moonset, your single yagi can perform like 4 yagis at
certain elevations when the moon is near the horizon. That is a 6 dB increase in both
receive and transmit! When I am in 3B9 around Labor Day, that could be especially
powerful when it also happens at the same time on my end! I will be beamingover the
ocean on both my moonrise and moonset from 3B9, and expect to get good ground gain
from the ocean over about -1.5 to +3 degrees moon elevation.
GL and VY 73, Lance
On 3/23/2023 15:05:52, John - WA2FZW wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 07:25 PM, Lance Collister, W7GJ wrote:
>
> This is just a reminder that this Wednesday I will be testing out thenew "Q65
> Pileup" feature
>
> Lance - Saw a post from CY0S on Slack this morning indicating the featurewas
> working great on 2 meter EME.
>
> -- John P.
> WA2FZW
>
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hi friends,
Good news!! CX1AA GF15 Radio Club Uruguayo, will be active from tomorrow
again.
Friday 24 16:00 to 20:00 UTC
Saturday 25 16:30 to 20:30 UTC
Sunday 26 17:00 to 21:00 UTC
73!
Ric CX2SC
Those of us using MAP65 must improvise.
73 de Mike
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Subject: [Moon-Net] Re: CY0S EME Procedure
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Earl.. what you sent was not quite right on the exchange.
Using NA contest mode adds the grid to the exchange.
You see: CQ CY0S FN93
You send: CY0S WB9UWA EN80
They send: WB9UWA CY0S R FN93
You send: CYOS WB9UWA RRR
They send: WB9UWA CY0S 73
I was seeing CY0S sending 73's for most of the stations when I could
decode the sequence.
NA contest mode is available in WSJT-X 2.5.1 and later, but the latest
version is only a 20 second download. Sorry to hear about the relay
issues. Good luck chasing them today.
- Jay N1AV
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 7:20 AM Earl Shaffer via Moon-net <
moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com> wrote:
> Hi Ken.
>
> As far as I could tell, there is little difference. On Map65 you do not
> get auto sequence, but on WSJTX you do so you can still use Map65.
> OOO is never sent.
> It is something like this:
>
> CQ CY0S FN93
>
> You send: CY0S W8KEN EN80
>
> They send: W8KEN CY0S RRR
>
> They either log you and move on or give up on you and move on. It's your guess as to which one happened.
>
> If things are slow, they might send 73 but don't count on it.
>
>
> My horizontal coax relay is burned up so I ran Vertical TX and RX and fed
> vertical to Map65 and two instances of WSJTX. Sometimes
> one WSJTX would decode while the other did not. Sometimes the signal
> report was the same and sometimes significantly different.
> Map65 rarely copied his signal while WSJTX copied his signal two or three
> times more often. In my estimation WSJTX is 2db more sensitive than Map65.
> If NA contest mode becomes the norm for DXpeditions, then it makes a lot of
> sense to use WSJTX but Europe will have to work out award credits. Sun
> noise was +11db yesterday and he was not hearing a lot of the callers.
> Maybe I will do better today, but I also have other things to do.
> On WSJTX I always had CY0S in the DX box which gives a decoding edge. With
> a few hours of decoding I had one instance of -31db and one instance of
> -32db. I also had an instance of -31db on Map65 but at the same time the
> report was significantly better on both WSJTX decoders which increases my
> feeling that -31 and -32 reports are more of an indication of
> something going wrong with a stronger signal rather than an indication of
> great sensitivity. My best decode level was -23db and that was when using
> WSJTX. I also set my azimuth 15 degrees CCW to reduce sun noise. This
> reduced sun noise more than it reduced the EME signal. I often do this with
> elevation settings when the moon is low and in the noise.
>
> WB9UWA.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 7:36 AM Ken via Moon-net <
> moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com> wrote:
>
>> Q65 Contest mode is not available for those of us that are running MAP65
>> / WSJT-X V 2.61.
>>
>> Why not just run standard Q65A or JT65B mode on 2m EME ?
>>
>> W8KEN - Ken
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>> > 1. Re: CY0S procedure (Norbert OE3NFC)
>> > 2. 1296 EME (Manuel)
>> > 3. Re: 1296 EME (cx2sc)
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:19:23 +0100
>> > From: Norbert OE3NFC <oe3nfc(a)yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: [Moon-Net] Re: CY0S procedure
>> > To: w7gj(a)bigskyspaces.com, Lance Collister <w7gj(a)hotmail.com>
>> > Cc: Moon-net Amateur Radio Moonbounce <moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com>
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>> > I have followed the CY0S activity on the moon yesterday and have
>> installed the relevant SW with contest mode enabled. So far I have not seen
>> any major differences, they could work the strong stations but in most
>> cases the others had problems.
>> >
>> > I am running 4x11 Pol and sufficient power but was not able to complete
>> - lets see how it goes today!
>> >
>> > 73 de OE3NFC / Norbert
>> >
>> >> Am 22.03.2023 um 16:51 schrieb Lance Collister via Moon-net <
>> moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Because in the WSJT-X version 2.7 beta they are using, the Q65 PILEUP
>> feature and the optimized increased sensitivity is ONLY available if
>> callers use one of the digital contest modes listed on my web page below:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/DXpedition%20Procedure%20with%20Q65.pdf
>> >>
>> >> I tested/demonstrated this on 2m EME last Saturday, but only made 9
>> contacts. I hope more show up for a "real" DXpedition with CY0S!!
>> >> GL and VY 73, Lance
>> >>>
>> >>> Why not use standard “EU” exchange procedure for the EU window, and
>> the NA procedure, which is invalid for awards in most countries other than
>> the USA, for the NA window? Then everybody happy and no more squabbling.
>> >>>
>> >>> David, G4YTL
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>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:17:37 -0300
>> > From: Manuel <mcastelo(a)vera.com.uy>
>> > Subject: [Moon-Net] 1296 EME
>> > To: "moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com" <moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com>
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>> > Hello OMs:
>> >
>> > For the moment I have only RX operation.
>> > But will be useful for me, check the band activity
>> > and news, such a cluster mode.
>> >
>> > Thanks for all and 73.
>> >
>> > Manuel, CX9BT
>> >
>> > PD. I do not understand correctly my password affair.
>> > Choice one for me, any is correct.
>> > We are radio amateurs…!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
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>> >
Hi All.
I've been monitoring the JT65 N0UK logger and I find the conversation
troubling.
It seems that one or more stations are using non-standard EME procedures
and there is some disagreement over that.
One of the operators may even be using his own chat to clarify aspects of
the QSO according to what I read on the logger.
A valid QSO stands on its own and does not need outside clarification.
Hasn't the format of EME procedure been established world-wide for decades
now?
Maybe some shortcuts are acceptable in the US, but can we really afford to
alienate ourselves from the rest of the world?
When the moon goes down in Europe we are hard pressed to find a QSO. I for
one would certainly hate to be blacklisted by the rest of the world.
I find myself in agreement with the Europeans on this. We should all pursue
valid QSO's that the whole world can agree on.
Maybe we should not count on using tricks in an attempt to make a
questionable mode (at least on 2 meters) work better than more established
reliable modes like JT65b which gives me fairly consistent decodes down to
-30db when using WSJTX. I know some people think Q65 is better, but so far
I just am not
seeing it. Here a -30db decode on Q65 is much more rare. I watched a Q65
station for over an hour and finally got a single decode at -28db,
otherwise no decode at all much of the time. Other times he was much
stronger than that. I have no trouble getting frequent decodes at -30db
using JT65b and can see short hand signals on the waterfall even weaker. I
can't say that for Q65 which I believe is the main reason for some
stations now using non-standard EME procedural formats.
I do EME because it is hard.
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