30 Nov
2015
30 Nov
'15
4:06 p.m.
It sort of make you wonder who is running ARRL? All the HF contests
"require" Cabrillo logs; VHF/UHF contests also require Cabrillo for
electronic submittal and even provide an on-line robot to assist the
entry. EME no computers; just paper and pen(cil) and a stamp? This
from the folks that brought you LoTW.
So I ask you: "How many ARRL's are there"?
Well I use paper and pencil log real-time when operating so have to
transcribe to an "official" log, anyway. I use the ARRL paper
worksheet and log form for my official log whether its mailed (EME)
or e-mailed (other contests). I suppose some day I could install
some kind of electronic logging. But one still has to type in the
entry. An auto-log utility for WSJT would be an nicety. I don't
find the MAP or WSJT "Rx" text file format that usable as one has to
heavily edit the file entries to fit the ARRL form.
But it sure makes a nice document for resolving any issues on what
was received or sent. Caveat: many computer clean-up programs will
erase these files as part of computer maintenance. You have to
copy-paste the file to a folder which will save it outside of the sw folder.
What's the log submittal deadline date? (rhetorical question)
73, Ed - KL7uW
At 11:14 AM 11/30/2015, David Tanks wrote:
From the EME contest rules page on arrl.org:
7. Reporting: Entries must include complete log data as well as an
official ARRL EME Contest Summary Sheet. Official forms are
available at the top of this page under "Overview: Paper Entry
Forms" or with a SASE request to the Contest Branch. No other forms
of the summary sheet will be accepted. Each line of QSO data in the
log should contain band, mode, date and time in UTC, callsign of
station worked, exchange sent, exchange received, each new
multiplier, and points earned. Photocopies of the log form and
official Summary Sheet are acceptable. Logs should be emailed to
<mailto:EMEcontest@arrl.org>EMEcontest@arrl.org and hand-written
paper logs or diskettes mailed to: EME Contest, ARRL, 225 Main St,
Newington, CT 06111 USA
In other words, you must use their paper log form and summary sheet;
no Cabrillo log is required, and none will be accepted.
73, David AD4TJ
From: Curt Nixon <radio.ku8l(a)gmail.com>
To: moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [Moon-Net] Contest log submission?
GM List:
I managed to get past a hung-up masthead relay set and a couple of
problems in the amp which caused a loss of screen voltage. Got on for
all of Sunday and made a few contacts.
Is there a simple way to get the WSJT log files into Cabrillo for
submission? I can easily get it into my main logger32 station log and
then convert out to Cabrillo using a converter--but is there an easier way?
Also, in the form, mit asks for full exchange Rx and Tx. What do they
expect there? It is a pretty small box! :)
Perhaps with only a handful contacts I should just do a handwritten
submission and summary?
Thanks
Curt
KU8L
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30 Nov
30 Nov
4:28 p.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
I agree Ed. With all of their contests requiring electronic logs( Cabrillo ) from many
thousands of entrants, why in the world would they require paper logs from a dwindling
amount of entrants( certainly south of 1000 logs?!? ). But that is the hand we are dealt,
and we must comply; meekly?
As far as the exchange to put on the forms, here are the first few contacts from my 2011
entry:
Complete
Exchange List New
Freq Mode Date/Time UTC Station Worked Sent Rcvd Multipliers
Points
144 JT65 Oct. 22 0724 G4ZTR "R"
"R" G 100
" " " 0729 RK3FG
" " EU RU " "
" " 0740 I3EVK "
" I " " "
" 0748 IK1UWL "
" "
" " " 0820 IS0/OK5EME
" " IS0 "
And so on and so on. Some years I have used RO for sent/rcvd exchange; never had any
rejections or questions from the ARRL.
- Log Submission Deadline- All entries must be emailed or postmarked no later than
2359z Thursday, January 1, 2016.
Also:
4. Exchange: Each station must send and receive both call signs and a signal report in any
mutually understood format, plus an acknowledgment of the calls and report. Partial or
incomplete contacts should be indicated on your log, but not counted for contest credit.
I do include incomplete QSO's in my submitted logs, as they request above.
73, David AD4TJ
From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw(a)acsalaska.net>
To: David Tanks <ad4tj(a)yahoo.com>om>; Curt Nixon <radio.ku8l(a)gmail.com>om>;
"moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com" <moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] Contest log submission?
It sort of make you wonder who is running ARRL? All the HF contests"require"
Cabrillo logs; VHF/UHF contests also require Cabrillofor electronic submittal and even
provide an on-line robot to assist theentry. EME no computers; just paper and pen(cil)
and a stamp? Thisfrom the folks that brought you LoTW.
So I ask you: "How many ARRL's are there"?
Well I use paper and pencil log real-time when operating so have totranscribe to an
"official" log, anyway. I use the ARRLpaper worksheet and log form for my
official log whether its mailed (EME)or e-mailed (other contests). I suppose some day I
could installsome kind of electronic logging. But one still has to type in theentry. An
auto-log utility for WSJT would be an nicety. Idon't find the MAP or WSJT
"Rx" text file format that usable asone has to heavily edit the file entries to
fit the ARRL form.
But it sure makes a nice document for resolving any issues on what wasreceived or sent.
Caveat: many computer clean-up programs willerase these files as part of computer
maintenance. You have tocopy-paste the file to a folder which will save it outside of the
swfolder.
What's the log submittal deadline date? (rhetorical question)
73, Ed - KL7uW
At 11:14 AM 11/30/2015, David Tanks wrote:
From the EME contest rules pageon arrl.org:
7. Reporting: Entries must include complete log data as well as anofficial ARRL EME
Contest Summary Sheet. Official forms are available atthe top of this page under
"Overview: Paper Entry Forms" orwith a SASE request to the Contest Branch. No
other forms of the summarysheet will be accepted. Each line of QSO data in the log should
containband, mode, date and time in UTC, callsign of station worked, exchangesent,
exchange received, each new multiplier, and points earned.Photocopies of the log form and
official Summary Sheet are acceptable.Logs should be emailed toEMEcontest(a)arrl.org
andhand-written paper logs or diskettes mailed to: EME Contest, ARRL, 225Main St,
Newington, CT 06111 USA
In other words, you must use their paper log form and summary sheet; noCabrillo log is
required, and none will be accepted.
73, David AD4TJ
From: Curt Nixon <radio.ku8l(a)gmail.com>
To: moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [Moon-Net] Contest log submission?
GM List:
I managed to get past a hung-up masthead relay set and a couple of
problems in the amp which caused a loss of screen voltage. Got onfor
all of Sunday and made a few contacts.
Is there a simple way to get the WSJT log files into Cabrillo for
submission? I can easily get it into my main logger32 station logand
then convert out to Cabrillo using a converter--but is there an easierway?
Also, in the form, mit asks for full exchange Rx and Tx. What dothey
expect there? It is a pretty small box! :)
Perhaps with only a handful contacts I should just do a handwritten
submission and summary?
Thanks
Curt
KU8L
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5:08 p.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
Hi Ed,
I think you are being "hard to please" on this one.
I find that the wsjt.log file that is produced by either WSJT or MAP65
does not take a lot of work to turn into an acceptable contest entry
form. It certainly takes less time to whip it into shape than it would
to do everything by hand! A contact is added to this wsjt.log file each
time you click on the "Log QSO" button.
I use MAP65 and just make sure I click the "Log QSO" button after every
contact. The QSO information including Date, Time, Call, Grid,
Frequency, and Mode is automatically entered into the wsjt.log file
without my needing to retype any of this information.
Because it is a "csv"-type file, it is easy to load the wsjt.log file
into my favorite spreadsheet program and then add a few columns for
"Exchange Sent", "Points", and "Mulltiplier" entries.
One can then do an automated column summation for points and
multipliers, take the product of those two results, and scoring is complete.
This takes minimal time. More time is spent looking up "States" for
each USA contact than doing the above and completing the whole log.
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
On 11/30/2015 4:06 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
An auto-log utility for WSJT would be an nicety. I
don't find the MAP
or WSJT "Rx" text file format that usable as one has to heavily edit
the file entries to fit the ARRL form.
5:55 p.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
Roger,
Totally forgot that feature. I'll have to try it. I was referring
to the Rx and Tx files that capture the main window entries
verbatim. eg: 144.116 431 1 0 0 2.6 100 1 -17 164100 KL7UW
OH2BC KP30 H
csv file would read on excel very nicely. I'll have to try that - duh!
73, Ed
At 01:08 PM 11/30/2015, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
Hi Ed,
I think you are being "hard to please" on this one.
I find that the wsjt.log file that is produced by either WSJT or MAP65
does not take a lot of work to turn into an acceptable contest entry
form. It certainly takes less time to whip it into shape than it would
to do everything by hand! A contact is added to this wsjt.log file each
time you click on the "Log QSO" button.
I use MAP65 and just make sure I click the "Log QSO" button after every
contact. The QSO information including Date, Time, Call, Grid,
Frequency, and Mode is automatically entered into the wsjt.log file
without my needing to retype any of this information.
Because it is a "csv"-type file, it is easy to load the wsjt.log file
into my favorite spreadsheet program and then add a few columns for
"Exchange Sent", "Points", and "Mulltiplier" entries.
One can then do an automated column summation for points and
multipliers, take the product of those two results, and scoring is complete.
This takes minimal time. More time is spent looking up "States" for
each USA contact than doing the above and completing the whole log.
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
On 11/30/2015 4:06 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
dubususa(a)gmail.com
An auto-log utility for WSJT would be an nicety.
I don't find the MAP
or WSJT "Rx" text file format that usable as one has to heavily edit
the file entries to fit the ARRL form.
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8:02 p.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
Hi Ed,
QSL!
Yes the map65_rx.log and map65_tx.log files would not be suitable for
logging without a LOT of work!!
They are great for data analysis though, as Les and others have pointed
out. I feed the map_65rx.log file into an sql database every year to
look at my station performance and compare it to prior years.
I really like the "Log_QSO" that Joe has included in WSJT and MAP65. My
only difficulty in using it to log is deciding on whether to hit the
"Log_QSO" button during the minute when I send "73" or wait for the
next
minute to hit it :) [This is only a joke; no need to advise me on
this important matter, folks] :)
Incidentally, I do not think that Rick is correct in saying that the
ARRL prefers Cabrillo logs for the EME contest. The EME contest is
different from other contests in this regard. The EME Contest
Instructions on the ARRL Website at: http://www.arrl.org/eme-contest say:
"Each line of QSO data in the log should contain band, mode, date and
time in UTC, callsign of station worked, exchange sent, exchange
received, each new multiplier, and points earned. Photocopies of the log
form and official Summary Sheet are acceptable".
These instructions do NOT mention Cabrillo Logs as the preferred log
format for the EME contest.
And note that the instructions specifically indicate that each line of
the log must include "each new multiplier" and "points earned".
The standard Cabrillo specification does not provide for fields for
either of these types of data. And as far as I am aware, neither the
ARRL nor the WWROF have issued an EME Contest extension/template for the
Cabrillo format in order to allow for the inclusion of these items in a
Cabrillo log. So I believe that submitting a Cabrillo log that met the
specifications for the log as detailed in the EME Contest Instructions
as noted above would be problematic at this point.
If I am wrong about this, I would be most eager to receive that
information, as well as the details of exactly how the Cabrillo file for
the EME contest is to be constructed so that it meets the specifications
outlined at http://www.arrl.org/eme-contest
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
On 11/30/2015 5:55 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
Roger,
Totally forgot that feature. I'll have to try it. I was referring to
the Rx and Tx files that capture the main window entries verbatim.
eg: 144.116 431 1 0 0 2.6 100 1 -17 164100 KL7UW OH2BC
KP30 H
csv file would read on excel very nicely. I'll have to try that - duh!
73, Ed
At 01:08 PM 11/30/2015, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
Hi Ed,
I think you are being "hard to please" on this one.
I find that the wsjt.log file that is produced by either WSJT or MAP65
does not take a lot of work to turn into an acceptable contest entry
form. It certainly takes less time to whip it into shape than it would
to do everything by hand! A contact is added to this wsjt.log file each
time you click on the "Log QSO" button.
I use MAP65 and just make sure I click the "Log QSO" button after every
contact. The QSO information including Date, Time, Call, Grid,
Frequency, and Mode is automatically entered into the wsjt.log file
without my needing to retype any of this information.
Because it is a "csv"-type file, it is easy to load the wsjt.log file
into my favorite spreadsheet program and then add a few columns for
"Exchange Sent", "Points", and "Mulltiplier" entries.
One can then do an automated column summation for points and
multipliers, take the product of those two results, and scoring is
complete.
This takes minimal time. More time is spent looking up "States" for
each USA contact than doing the above and completing the whole log.
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
On 11/30/2015 4:06 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
dubususa(a)gmail.com
An auto-log utility for WSJT would be an nicety.
I don't find the MAP
or WSJT "Rx" text file format that usable as one has to heavily edit
the file entries to fit the ARRL form.
_______________________________________________
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9:05 p.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
the details of exactly how the Cabrillo file for the
EME contest is
to be constructed so that it meets the specifications outlined at
http://www.arrl.org/eme-contest
Roger Rehr W3SZ
ARRL EME is listed as a Supported User Defined Contest in N1MM,
Cabrillo details are therein. You need the user defined file for
ARRLEMEVHF, which I lack currently.
As for QSO info, http://wwrof.org/cabrillo/cabrillo-qso-templates/
"exch is contest exchange. Each contest will have its own exchange
elements. Check with the contest sponsor for their requirements and
formatting."
So there are no specification limits to what can be listed
1 Dec
1 Dec
12:23 a.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
Hi All,
I received a very nice note from Rick and he showed me a very well
executed example of a Cabrillo-type log for the ARRL EME Contest. Rick
uses W3KM's GenLog and it generates a Cabrillo-type file that is just
lacking the "points" field. To make his Cabrillo-type file Rick added
that field on to the end of each line. You can see GenLog at:
http://www.qsl.net/w3km/
While N1MM+ does not have an ARRL EME Contest template as a part of the
official package, as Ron mentioned an N1MM+ "template" for the ARRL EME
contest is available as a "user-defined contest".
This can be downloaded from
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=18
The specific URL for the .udc file is:
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=738
Instructions for use of the template are at:
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Setup+User+Defined+Contests#Ins…
Thanks to both Rick and Ron for their info!
Unfortunately, the N1MM+ implementation of a "Cabrillo" file for this
contest leaves out both the multiplier AND the points fields, so these
would need to be added manually. And doing that properly is not as
simple as it might seem.
This is because the purpose of the Cabrillo format is to support
electronic log submission and automate the log checking process. You
cannot have automated processing of a Cabrillo [or any] log format if
the field formats, acceptable field values, and field positions are not
fully specified by the contest sponsor or the organization that will be
adjudicating the log submissions. Thus each contest sponsor that
indicates that Cabrillo logs are to be submitted must define and make
publicly available a Cabrillo template for each contest that they
sponsor so that these parameters are completely defined and contestants
can construct their log entries using this specification. Without such a
template, generating a Cabrillo log that is certain to be compatible
with automated processing is impossible. You can see some example
templates for specific contests at:
http://wwrof.org/cabrillo/cabrillo-qso-templates/ You can also find
some examples posted by the ARRL for ARRL contests at:
http://www.arrl.org/cabrillo-format-tutorial [click on "November
Sweepstakes Templates"]
or, for the ARRL June VHF contest, at:
http://www.arrl.org/june-vhf [Click on "Cabrillo Templates for the New
SO3B and SOFM Categories"]
A large number of templates [but not one for the ARRL EME] are listed here:
http://www.contestlogchecker.com/cabrillo-templates.html
I am not aware that the ARRL has published a Cabrillo template for their
EME contest. As noted above, this is a necessity if they want logs to
be submitted for this contest in Cabrillo format and suitable for
automated processing.
A Cabrillo template for the ARRL EME Contest might look like this:
-------------------------------------
START-OF-LOG: 3.0
CONTEST: ARRL-EME
CALLSIGN: W1AW
LOCATION: CT
OPERATORS: W1AW
CATEGORY-ASSISTED: NON-ASSISTED
CATEGORY-BAND: VHF-3-BAND
CATEGORY-MODE: MIXED
CATEGORY-OPERATOR: SINGLE-OP
CATEGORY-POWER: LOW
CATEGORY-STATION: FIXED
CATEGORY-TRANSMITTER: ONE
CLAIMED-SCORE:
CLUB:
SOAPBOX:
SOAPBOX:
NAME: W1AW
ADDRESS: 225 Main St
ADDRESS: Newington, CT 06111
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-28 1900 W1AW O WD5USA O TX 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-28 1922 W1AW O WD4USA O FL 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-28 1924 W1AW O WD3USA O PA 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-28 2220 W1AW O AF5Q O TX 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-29 0043 W1AW O AF4Q O FL 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-29 0043 W1AW O AF3Q O PA 100
QSO: 222 CW 2015-11-29 0359 W1AW 539 AF2Q 579 PA 100
END-OF-LOG:
A= Operating frequency. Use the following generic abbreviations:
50
144
222
432
902
1.2G
2.3G
3.4G
5.7G
10G
24G
47G
75G
B= Mode:
PH
CW
RY
C= Date, in YYYY-MM-DD format. November 7, 2015 is typed as 2015-11-07.
D= Time, in UTC format 1234. No punctuation.
E= Your call.
F= Signal Report Sent.
G= Callsign worked.
H= Signal Report Received.
I = Multiplier:
either [a] the standard two-letter USA state abbreviation
[b] the callsign prefix taken from the ARRL DXCC List
J= Points.
---------------------------------
An alternate way of demonstrating the Cabrillo QSO template would be:
----info sent---- ----info rcvd----
QSO: freq mo date time call rpt call rpt mult pts
QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ************* nnn **** ***
QSO: 144 CW 2015-11-29 0748 SM3CER/P 539 OH0/SM0AIG/P 549 OH 100
0000000001111111111222222222233333333334444444444555555555566666666667777777
1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456
---------------------------------
But the QSO Entry fields could also have a different order or format
than is shown here. And just what values are acceptable for the
"Multiplier" field, and what their format should for a Cabrillo file for
the ARRL EME contest has not to my knowledge been defined. Presumably,
depending on the station location, the "Multiplier" field contents would
be one of either [a] the standard two-letter USA state abbreviations or
[b] a prefix taken from the ARRL DXCC List, but this is just conjecture
at this point.
Only after a template for this contest that defines field order, field
data format, and accepted field values [especially for the "multiplier"
field] has been made available by the sponsoring organization will we be
able to construct a legitimate Cabrillo file suitable for automated
processing for this contest.
Until that has been done, we can generate files that look like Cabrillo
files, but they will not be suitable for automated processing. And that
suitability for automated processing is the primary reason for the
existence and use of Cabrillo files.
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
On 11/30/2015 8:02 PM, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
Incidentally, I do not think that Rick is correct in
saying that the
ARRL prefers Cabrillo logs for the EME contest. The EME contest is
different from other contests in this regard. The EME Contest
Instructions on the ARRL Website at: http://www.arrl.org/eme-contest say:
"Each line of QSO data in the log should contain band, mode, date and
time in UTC, callsign of station worked, exchange sent, exchange
received, each new multiplier, and points earned. Photocopies of the
log form and official Summary Sheet are acceptable".
These instructions do NOT mention Cabrillo Logs as the preferred log
format for the EME contest.
And note that the instructions specifically indicate that each line of
the log must include "each new multiplier" and "points earned".
The standard Cabrillo specification does not provide for fields for
either of these types of data. And as far as I am aware, neither the
ARRL nor the WWROF have issued an EME Contest extension/template for
the Cabrillo format in order to allow for the inclusion of these items
in a Cabrillo log. So I believe that submitting a Cabrillo log that
met the specifications for the log as detailed in the EME Contest
Instructions as noted above would be problematic at this point.
If I am wrong about this, I would be most eager to receive that
information, as well as the details of exactly how the Cabrillo file
for the EME contest is to be constructed so that it meets the
specifications outlined at http://www.arrl.org/eme-contest
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
10:54 a.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
Hello All,
I started looking at a set of database functions for WSJT (I've not
looked at MAP65 at all) back in October, but realized It would not be
finished before the final EME contest in November so I stopped messing
with things so as not to interferer with releases prior to the contest.
What's being asked for here is not overly difficult. Its just a matter
of extending the current logging function in WSJT.
I looked at the ARRL log submission forms, from what I can see, there's
nothing odd to speak of. It would be nice if they would adopt the
Cabrillo log submission format, but, that is the contest sponsor's call.
I have a couple other items I need to finish working on, after which,
I'll look at this again and see if we can get something functional for
the next VHF contest (End of January I think it is?). If it meets Joe's
approval, maybe he will release it for the contest, no guarantees though.
73's
Greg, KI7MT
On 11/30/2015 10:23 PM, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
Hi All,
I received a very nice note from Rick and he showed me a very well
executed example of a Cabrillo-type log for the ARRL EME Contest. Rick
uses W3KM's GenLog and it generates a Cabrillo-type file that is just
lacking the "points" field. To make his Cabrillo-type file Rick added
that field on to the end of each line. You can see GenLog at:
http://www.qsl.net/w3km/
While N1MM+ does not have an ARRL EME Contest template as a part of the
official package, as Ron mentioned an N1MM+ "template" for the ARRL EME
contest is available as a "user-defined contest".
This can be downloaded from
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=18
The specific URL for the .udc file is:
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=738
Instructions for use of the template are at:
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Setup+User+Defined+Contests#Ins…
Thanks to both Rick and Ron for their info!
Unfortunately, the N1MM+ implementation of a "Cabrillo" file for this
contest leaves out both the multiplier AND the points fields, so these
would need to be added manually. And doing that properly is not as
simple as it might seem.
This is because the purpose of the Cabrillo format is to support
electronic log submission and automate the log checking process. You
cannot have automated processing of a Cabrillo [or any] log format if
the field formats, acceptable field values, and field positions are not
fully specified by the contest sponsor or the organization that will be
adjudicating the log submissions. Thus each contest sponsor that
indicates that Cabrillo logs are to be submitted must define and make
publicly available a Cabrillo template for each contest that they
sponsor so that these parameters are completely defined and contestants
can construct their log entries using this specification. Without such a
template, generating a Cabrillo log that is certain to be compatible
with automated processing is impossible. You can see some example
templates for specific contests at:
http://wwrof.org/cabrillo/cabrillo-qso-templates/ You can also find
some examples posted by the ARRL for ARRL contests at:
http://www.arrl.org/cabrillo-format-tutorial [click on "November
Sweepstakes Templates"]
or, for the ARRL June VHF contest, at:
http://www.arrl.org/june-vhf [Click on "Cabrillo Templates for the New
SO3B and SOFM Categories"]
A large number of templates [but not one for the ARRL EME] are listed here:
http://www.contestlogchecker.com/cabrillo-templates.html
I am not aware that the ARRL has published a Cabrillo template for their
EME contest. As noted above, this is a necessity if they want logs to
be submitted for this contest in Cabrillo format and suitable for
automated processing.
A Cabrillo template for the ARRL EME Contest might look like this:
-------------------------------------
START-OF-LOG: 3.0
CONTEST: ARRL-EME
CALLSIGN: W1AW
LOCATION: CT
OPERATORS: W1AW
CATEGORY-ASSISTED: NON-ASSISTED
CATEGORY-BAND: VHF-3-BAND
CATEGORY-MODE: MIXED
CATEGORY-OPERATOR: SINGLE-OP
CATEGORY-POWER: LOW
CATEGORY-STATION: FIXED
CATEGORY-TRANSMITTER: ONE
CLAIMED-SCORE:
CLUB:
SOAPBOX:
SOAPBOX:
NAME: W1AW
ADDRESS: 225 Main St
ADDRESS: Newington, CT 06111
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-28 1900 W1AW O WD5USA O TX 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-28 1922 W1AW O WD4USA O FL 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-28 1924 W1AW O WD3USA O PA 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-28 2220 W1AW O AF5Q O TX 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-29 0043 W1AW O AF4Q O FL 100
QSO: 144 RY 2015-11-29 0043 W1AW O AF3Q O PA 100
QSO: 222 CW 2015-11-29 0359 W1AW 539 AF2Q 579 PA 100
END-OF-LOG:
A= Operating frequency. Use the following generic abbreviations:
50
144
222
432
902
1.2G
2.3G
3.4G
5.7G
10G
24G
47G
75G
B= Mode:
PH
CW
RY
C= Date, in YYYY-MM-DD format. November 7, 2015 is typed as 2015-11-07.
D= Time, in UTC format 1234. No punctuation.
E= Your call.
F= Signal Report Sent.
G= Callsign worked.
H= Signal Report Received.
I = Multiplier:
either [a] the standard two-letter USA state abbreviation
[b] the callsign prefix taken from the ARRL DXCC List
J= Points.
---------------------------------
An alternate way of demonstrating the Cabrillo QSO template would be:
----info sent---- ----info rcvd----
QSO: freq mo date time call rpt call rpt mult pts
QSO: ***** ** yyyy-mm-dd nnnn ************* nnn ************* nnn **** ***
QSO: 144 CW 2015-11-29 0748 SM3CER/P 539 OH0/SM0AIG/P 549 OH 100
0000000001111111111222222222233333333334444444444555555555566666666667777777
1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456
---------------------------------
But the QSO Entry fields could also have a different order or format
than is shown here. And just what values are acceptable for the
"Multiplier" field, and what their format should for a Cabrillo file for
the ARRL EME contest has not to my knowledge been defined. Presumably,
depending on the station location, the "Multiplier" field contents would
be one of either [a] the standard two-letter USA state abbreviations or
[b] a prefix taken from the ARRL DXCC List, but this is just conjecture
at this point.
Only after a template for this contest that defines field order, field
data format, and accepted field values [especially for the "multiplier"
field] has been made available by the sponsoring organization will we be
able to construct a legitimate Cabrillo file suitable for automated
processing for this contest.
Until that has been done, we can generate files that look like Cabrillo
files, but they will not be suitable for automated processing. And that
suitability for automated processing is the primary reason for the
existence and use of Cabrillo files.
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
On 11/30/2015 8:02 PM, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
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Incidentally, I do not think that Rick is correct
in saying that the
ARRL prefers Cabrillo logs for the EME contest. The EME contest is
different from other contests in this regard. The EME Contest
Instructions on the ARRL Website at: http://www.arrl.org/eme-contest say:
"Each line of QSO data in the log should contain band, mode, date and
time in UTC, callsign of station worked, exchange sent, exchange
received, each new multiplier, and points earned. Photocopies of the
log form and official Summary Sheet are acceptable".
These instructions do NOT mention Cabrillo Logs as the preferred log
format for the EME contest.
And note that the instructions specifically indicate that each line of
the log must include "each new multiplier" and "points earned".
The standard Cabrillo specification does not provide for fields for
either of these types of data. And as far as I am aware, neither the
ARRL nor the WWROF have issued an EME Contest extension/template for
the Cabrillo format in order to allow for the inclusion of these items
in a Cabrillo log. So I believe that submitting a Cabrillo log that
met the specifications for the log as detailed in the EME Contest
Instructions as noted above would be problematic at this point.
If I am wrong about this, I would be most eager to receive that
information, as well as the details of exactly how the Cabrillo file
for the EME contest is to be constructed so that it meets the
specifications outlined at http://www.arrl.org/eme-contest
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
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3:07 p.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
Hi Greg et al,
Thanks Greg for your offer of help and for all that you do with WSJT!!
To tide folks over until WSJT/MAP65 get updated, I made a little udc
file for the ARRL EME contest for N1MM+, since the udc file on the N1MM+
website doesn't work properly, as I previously noted.
This udc file will generate either a standard Cabrillo file or a Generic
file, depending on user choice. The udc file that I created can be
downloaded from here:
http://www.nitehawk.com/w3sz/ARRL_EME_1.udc
The Generic file output looks like this:
Date Time Freq Mode MyCall SentRpt Callsign RcvdRpt Mult
NewState NewCty Points
20151201 1946 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ O HB9Q O
HB Yes 100
20151201 1947 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ 599 W3TUG 599
PA Yes Yes 100
20151201 1947 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ O K3MD O
MD Yes 100
20151201 1947 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ 599 F2TU 599
F Yes 100
20151201 1947 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ O G3RUF O
G Yes 100
20151201 1948 144250.0 CW W3SZ O HB0DDR O
HB0 Yes 100
20151201 1948 144250.0 CW W3SZ O K1JT O
NJ Yes Yes 100
20151201 1949 144250.0 CW W3SZ O W3AWF O
PA Yes 100
20151201 1951 144250.0 CW W3SZ O K1JT O
NJ 0
If this was mangled by your email program, you can also view it at:
http://www.nitehawk.com/w3sz/W3SZ.txt
The Cabrillo file output looks like this:
START-OF-LOG: 3.0
LOCATION: EPA
CALLSIGN: W3SZ
CLUB: Mt Airy VHF Radio Club
CONTEST: ARRL-EME
CATEGORY-OPERATOR: SINGLE-OP
CATEGORY-ASSISTED: ASSISTED
CATEGORY-BAND: ALL
CATEGORY-MODE: MIXED
CATEGORY-POWER: HIGH
CATEGORY-STATION: FIXED
CATEGORY-TRANSMITTER: ONE
CLAIMED-SCORE: 8000
OPERATORS: W3SZ
NAME: Roger Rehr
ADDRESS: 2 Merrymount Road
ADDRESS-CITY: Reading
ADDRESS-STATE-PROVINCE: PA
ADDRESS-POSTALCODE: 19609
ADDRESS-COUNTRY: UNITED STATES
CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.5334.0
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1946 W3SZ O HB9Q O HB
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1947 W3SZ 599 W3TUG 599 PA
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1947 W3SZ O K3MD O MD
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1947 W3SZ 599 F2TU 599 F
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1947 W3SZ O G3RUF O G
QSO: 144 CW 2015-12-01 1948 W3SZ O HB0DDR O HB0
QSO: 144 CW 2015-12-01 1948 W3SZ O K1JT O NJ
QSO: 144 CW 2015-12-01 1949 W3SZ O W3AWF O PA
QSO: 144 CW 2015-12-01 1951 W3SZ O K1JT O NJ
END-OF-LOG:
It can also be viewed here:
http://www.nitehawk.com/w3sz/W3SZ.log
My recommendation would be to take the header from the Cabrillo file and
splice it to the QSO portion of the Generic file.
Later today I will put instructions on how to use the udc file on my
website at:
http://www.nitehawk.com/w3sz/udc_instructions.txt
But right now I am busy with other things, so wait a couple of hours
before checking on that.
Of course at this point the "Cabrillo file" is really just a
pseudo-Cabrillo file, as we don't know the official specification.
73,
Roger
W3SZ
On 12/1/2015 10:54 AM, KI7MT wrote:
Hello All,
I started looking at a set of database functions for WSJT (I've not
looked at MAP65 at all) back in October, but realized It would not be
finished before the final EME contest in November so I stopped messing
with things so as not to interferer with releases prior to the contest.
What's being asked for here is not overly difficult. Its just a matter
of extending the current logging function in WSJT.
I looked at the ARRL log submission forms, from what I can see, there's
nothing odd to speak of. It would be nice if they would adopt the
Cabrillo log submission format, but, that is the contest sponsor's call.
I have a couple other items I need to finish working on, after which,
I'll look at this again and see if we can get something functional for
the next VHF contest (End of January I think it is?). If it meets Joe's
approval, maybe he will release it for the contest, no guarantees though.
73's
Greg, KI7MT
3:56 p.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
Hi Roger,
We should bare in mind, the N1MM+ approach limits usage to Windows only,
which to be fare, most folks are probably using, but, the number of
Unix/Linux/BSD users is definitely on the rise, particularly for WSJT
and WSJT-X.
My proposal was / is to employ a cross-platform capable database (
SQLite ) that could service all there applications ( WSJT, WSJT-X,
MAP65). Extracting, post processing or otherwise manipulating the data
could be provided by any number of third party tools depending on the OS.
What I've been exploring is, adding QSO's to an ADIF compliant Database
table in addition to the wsjt.log. The process could be expanded to
create the fields (table) for a given Contest, thus providing similar
functions to what N1MM does; real time scoring, cab file generation etc.
Implementing this functionality is a good bit of work, but seeing as the
WSJT applications do not interface with any of the major contesting
applications ( or at lease, none that I know of, not saying there
aren't any ), I thought that may be useful for the EME folks.
At the very least, the Q's would be in a structured format where fairly
simple SQL queries could import / export the data for post contest
processing such as you describing here.
73's
Greg, KI7MT
On 12/01/2015 01:07 PM, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
Hi Greg et al,
Thanks Greg for your offer of help and for all that you do with WSJT!!
To tide folks over until WSJT/MAP65 get updated, I made a little udc
file for the ARRL EME contest for N1MM+, since the udc file on the N1MM+
website doesn't work properly, as I previously noted.
This udc file will generate either a standard Cabrillo file or a Generic
file, depending on user choice. The udc file that I created can be
downloaded from here:
http://www.nitehawk.com/w3sz/ARRL_EME_1.udc
The Generic file output looks like this:
Date Time Freq Mode MyCall SentRpt Callsign RcvdRpt Mult
NewState NewCty Points
20151201 1946 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ O HB9Q O
HB Yes 100
20151201 1947 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ 599 W3TUG 599
PA Yes Yes 100
20151201 1947 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ O K3MD O
MD Yes 100
20151201 1947 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ 599 F2TU 599
F Yes 100
20151201 1947 144250.0 RTTY W3SZ O G3RUF O
G Yes 100
20151201 1948 144250.0 CW W3SZ O HB0DDR O
HB0 Yes 100
20151201 1948 144250.0 CW W3SZ O K1JT O
NJ Yes Yes 100
20151201 1949 144250.0 CW W3SZ O W3AWF O
PA Yes 100
20151201 1951 144250.0 CW W3SZ O K1JT O
NJ 0
If this was mangled by your email program, you can also view it at:
http://www.nitehawk.com/w3sz/W3SZ.txt
The Cabrillo file output looks like this:
START-OF-LOG: 3.0
LOCATION: EPA
CALLSIGN: W3SZ
CLUB: Mt Airy VHF Radio Club
CONTEST: ARRL-EME
CATEGORY-OPERATOR: SINGLE-OP
CATEGORY-ASSISTED: ASSISTED
CATEGORY-BAND: ALL
CATEGORY-MODE: MIXED
CATEGORY-POWER: HIGH
CATEGORY-STATION: FIXED
CATEGORY-TRANSMITTER: ONE
CLAIMED-SCORE: 8000
OPERATORS: W3SZ
NAME: Roger Rehr
ADDRESS: 2 Merrymount Road
ADDRESS-CITY: Reading
ADDRESS-STATE-PROVINCE: PA
ADDRESS-POSTALCODE: 19609
ADDRESS-COUNTRY: UNITED STATES
CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.5334.0
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1946 W3SZ O HB9Q O HB
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1947 W3SZ 599 W3TUG 599 PA
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1947 W3SZ O K3MD O MD
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1947 W3SZ 599 F2TU 599 F
QSO: 144 RY 2015-12-01 1947 W3SZ O G3RUF O G
QSO: 144 CW 2015-12-01 1948 W3SZ O HB0DDR O HB0
QSO: 144 CW 2015-12-01 1948 W3SZ O K1JT O NJ
QSO: 144 CW 2015-12-01 1949 W3SZ O W3AWF O PA
QSO: 144 CW 2015-12-01 1951 W3SZ O K1JT O NJ
END-OF-LOG:
It can also be viewed here:
http://www.nitehawk.com/w3sz/W3SZ.log
My recommendation would be to take the header from the Cabrillo file and
splice it to the QSO portion of the Generic file.
Later today I will put instructions on how to use the udc file on my
website at:
http://www.nitehawk.com/w3sz/udc_instructions.txt
But right now I am busy with other things, so wait a couple of hours
before checking on that.
Of course at this point the "Cabrillo file" is really just a
pseudo-Cabrillo file, as we don't know the official specification.
73,
Roger
W3SZ
On 12/1/2015 10:54 AM, KI7MT wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I started looking at a set of database functions for WSJT (I've not
> looked at MAP65 at all) back in October, but realized It would not be
> finished before the final EME contest in November so I stopped messing
> with things so as not to interferer with releases prior to the contest.
>
> What's being asked for here is not overly difficult. Its just a matter
> of extending the current logging function in WSJT.
>
> I looked at the ARRL log submission forms, from what I can see, there's
> nothing odd to speak of. It would be nice if they would adopt the
> Cabrillo log submission format, but, that is the contest sponsor's call.
>
> I have a couple other items I need to finish working on, after which,
> I'll look at this again and see if we can get something functional for
> the next VHF contest (End of January I think it is?). If it meets Joe's
> approval, maybe he will release it for the contest, no guarantees though.
>
>
> 73's
> Greg, KI7MT
8 Dec
8 Dec
4:25 p.m.
New subject: Contest log submission?
Hi All,
I spoke to Dan Henderson, N1ND, at the ARRL Headquarters today, and he
confirmed that the ARRL EME Contest is NOT a "Cabrillo Contest".
This is what I had previously reported, but because there was some
disagreement about this I wanted to get a confirmation of the true
status of the contest from the Contest Sponsor, and that confirmation
was obtained today.
There is not a robot set up for the EME Contest, and so there is no
advantage to submitting a Cabrillo log, and the League does not prefer
Cabrillo Logs for this contest.
The League will accept a log in Cabrillo or any other format as long as
it meets the requirements set out at this URL:
http://www.arrl.org/eme-contest
Both a Log and a Summary Sheet must be submitted for each entry, and
copies of templates for those documents can be downloaded from the URL
just given.
Here is a summary of the reporting requirements as detailed on the ARRL
Website page referenced above:
7. Reporting: Entries must include complete log data as well as an
official ARRL EME Contest Summary Sheet. Official forms are available at
the top of this page under "Overview: Paper Entry Forms" or with a SASE
request to the Contest Branch. No other forms of the summary sheet will
be accepted. Each line of QSO data in the log should contain band, mode,
date and time in UTC, callsign of station worked, exchange sent,
exchange received, each new multiplier, and points earned. Photocopies
of the log form and official Summary Sheet are acceptable. Logs should
be emailed to <address redacted to prevent spamming> and hand-written
paper logs or diskettes mailed to: EME Contest, ARRL, 225 Main St,
Newington, CT 06111 USA
If you have a wsjt.log file you can load it into N1MM+ and N1MM+ will
score the contest for you and generate a very nice log, ready for
submission, without much effort. If you need help with this send me an
email off-list.
73,
Roger Rehr
W3SZ
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